Special Episode: Jeff Tweedy

“How to Write One Song”

In June 2024, I got to go to the Solid Sound Festival in North Adams, Massachusetts, which is organized by the band Wilco. I performed some of my new songs, and I got to interview Jeff Tweedy, the lead singer of Wilco, on stage as part of the festival. Jeff, in addition to being in Wilco and the band Tweedy, and putting out his solo albums, has also written three books. And this conversation was focused on his second book, which is called How to Write One Song. And even though it’s called How to Write One Song, I think it actually contains a lot of insight about creativity in general, and life in general. I’ve recommended it to friends of mine who aren’t songwriters. And, as you’ll hear, the conversation gets pretty personal for me, because I got so much out of the book personally. It helped me with some of the blocks that I’d been facing in my own songwriting, at a pretty profound level. And when I was listening back to this recording, I’d kind of forgotten about how much I put out there in front of Jeff and the thousands of people who were there watching. But I’m glad the conversation was recorded, partly just so I could revisit it, but also so that I could share it here on Song Exploder. I hope you’ll enjoy it, too.

You can buy How to Write One Song by Jeff Tweedy here (via Bookshop.org) or here (via Amazon) or on Wilco’s website.

You can listen to the Wilco episode of Song Exploder here. I also interviewed Jeff along with his son Spencer, who is also his bandmate in Tweedy, about their relationship and musical partnership, for an episode of my podcast Partners. You can listen to that here.

Illustration by Carlos Lerma.

footnotes
George Saunders
Jill Schwartzman – Jeff’s editor
Tom Schick – Wilco producer/mixer/engineer
Mark Greenberg – studio manager at Wilco’s Loft
Star Wars – Wilco album

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Episode 292: Tears for Fears

“Everybody Wants To Rule The World”

Tears for Fears is a duo formed in 1981 in Bath, England by Roland Orzabal and Curt Smith. They’ve sold over 30 million albums, starting with their first, The Hurting, which went to number one in the UK. But it was their second album, Songs from the Big Chair, that made them international stars. It came out in 1985, and had huge singles like “Shout” and “Head Over Heels.” But their biggest hit is “Everybody Wants to Rule The World.” It won Best Single at the BRIT Awards in 1986, and it’s been streamed over 2 billion times. So I talked to the two of them about how they, along with their producer Chris Hughes and keyboard player Ian Stanley, made a song that would help define the sound of the 80s.

You can buy or stream “Everybody Wants to Rule the World” here.

Illustration by Carlos Lerma.

For a transcript of this episode, click here.

footnotes:
Neil Taylor – guitar solo
Jimmy Page
“Then Came the Last Days of May” by Blue Öyster Cult
Peter Gabriel
Culture Club
“The Way You Are”
“Mothers Talk”
“Waterfront” by Simple Minds
Cabasa
LinnDrum
“Throw Away the Key” by Linx
David Bates
Phonogram Inc.
“The Primal Scream” by Arthur Janov
Union Studios in Munich
Massey Hall

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Episode 291: Lizzo

“Still Bad”

Lizzo is a Grammy- and Emmy-winning singer, rapper, songwriter, and actress. She’s been putting out music since 2013, and her last two albums both went platinum. Her fifth album, Love In Real Life, comes out this summer. For this episode, I talked to Lizzo, as well as her longtime collaborator, Grammy-winning producer Ricky Reed, about the making of one of her new songs, “Still Bad.” It wasn’t a straightforward process at all, and coming up, you’ll hear a few of the many, many demos they made on their way to the final song.

You can buy or stream “Still Bad” here.

Illustration by Carlos Lerma.

For a transcript of this episode, click here.

footnotes:
Blake Slatkin – co-writer and co-producer
Sam Harris – co-writer
Cheche Alara – piano
Victor Indrizzo – drums
Britney Spears
Big Grrrl Small World
Aretha Franklin
Franz Ferdinand (band)
Lizzo is set to play Sister Rosetta Tharpe in the upcoming biopic

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