Lizzo is a Grammy- and Emmy-winning singer, rapper, songwriter, and actress. She’s been putting out music since 2013, and her last two albums both went platinum. Her fifth album, Love In Real Life, comes out this summer. For this episode, I talked to Lizzo, as well as her longtime collaborator, Grammy-winning producer Ricky Reed, about the making of one of her new songs, “Still Bad.” It wasn’t a straightforward process at all, and coming up, you’ll hear a few of the many, many demos they made on their way to the final song.

You can buy or stream “Still Bad” here.

Illustration by Carlos Lerma.

For a transcript of this episode, click here.

footnotes:
Blake Slatkin – co-writer and co-producer
Sam Harris – co-writer
Cheche Alara – piano
Victor Indrizzo – drums
Britney Spears
Big Grrrl Small World
Aretha Franklin
Franz Ferdinand (band)
Lizzo is set to play Sister Rosetta Tharpe in the upcoming biopic

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Jake Lenderman plays and records under the name MJ Lenderman. He put out his first album in 2019. In addition to his solo work, he’s been a member of the band Wednesday, and he’s also featured on the Waxahatchee hit song “Right Back to It.” In September 2024, the fourth MJ Lenderman album came out. It’s called Manning Fireworks. The New Yorker named it the best album of the year, and Stereogum, Rolling Stone and Pitchfork all put it in their top ten. For this episode, I talked to Jake about one of the songs from that album, called “You Don’t Know the Shape I’m In.” The song itself took shape in a few different ways. Coming up, you’ll hear the way the song started as a demo, and then how that got fleshed out, and then how it got rebuilt, and then how Jake completely reimagined the whole thing.

You can buy or stream “You Don’t Know The Shape I’m In” here.

Illustration by Carlos Lerma.

For a transcript of this episode, click here.

footnotes:
Karly Hartzman – vocals
Alex Farrar – engineer and co-producer
Landon George – upright bass
Colin Miller – slide banjo
Shane McCord – clarinet
Patterning app
The Hulk
Boat Songs
Marshall half stack
“The Shape I’m In” – The Band
“You Don’t Know The Shape I’m In” – version featured on Through The Soil II

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The TV show Severance debuted on Apple TV+ in February 2022. It was created by writer Dan Erickson, and developed into a series by director and executive producer Ben Stiller. He directed the pilot and most of the episodes. After the first season came out, Severance was nominated for 14 Emmys, including Outstanding Drama Series, and it won two Emmys: for Main Title Design and for Musical Composition. I love this show, and the main title sequence is incredible. I was so excited to get to talk to the composer, Theodore Shapiro, about how he made the main title theme music. In this episode, you’ll hear how that theme first came into existence in a totally different form, and then, how Teddy re-imagined it to become the final version.

You can buy or stream the Severance main title theme here.

Illustration by Carlos Lerma.

For a transcript of this episode, click here.

footnotes:
Rob Moose and Gabriel Cabezas – strings
Oliver Latta aka Extraweg – main title design
Theodore Shapiro and Ben Stiller had previously worked together on Dodgeball, Tropic Thunder, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, and Zoolander 2
Adam Scott
Temp track
Moog Model D
Bobby McFerrin

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